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Post by redkraytdragon on Mar 11, 2013 14:53:31 GMT -5
On top of that is the expense of shipping because no one supplier makes all the parts. Not yet anyway My plan is to eventually fill that void and be a one stop shop for this costume. But these things take time and it's definitely still a work in progress. Regardless of where the GM calls 'home', I think one of the major reasons this costume is so rare is because not only are the parts hard to find, and when you do find them you have to get them from (last count) 4 or 5 people to complete it, but as berzerker stated...no 1 person makes all the parts. And up until recently, the parts available were really not all that accurate. That, I would imagine, turns off most people to this costume right off the bat. I think part of the main lure of folks wanting this costume is going to be availability coupled with accurate parts available. Just my thoughts.
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Post by ianl on Mar 17, 2013 23:30:09 GMT -5
Former Blizzard Force DL here. I would like to offer my 2 cents. I think we can all agree that CT.n is overrun by a myriad of clone types and Galactic Marines are of marginal interest at best there. Blizzard Force would provide a welcome home with no strings attached to help spread knowledge of the costume. In fact I am considering doing a GM costume soon myself. Ultimately I will defer to the members here with what they would like but I would say that there is a desire to elevate cold-weather costumes of all types at our site and you will get as much exposure as you want there. And one day I think we'd be happy to see GM's flourish into a detachment of their own.
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Post by redkraytdragon on Mar 18, 2013 2:29:43 GMT -5
Agreed Ian. I think the GM's have kind of gotten lost in the shuffle over at CT. Personally I think the GM's would get a LOT more exposure over at BF, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by ti9327 on Mar 18, 2013 10:12:14 GMT -5
As the current CTN DL, I understand and agree that there are quite a lot of clone costumes over on CTN. However, that is not the big reason the GM is not getting a lot of exposure there. It is the fact that most, if not ALL Legion members know about the 53rd FAC and go directly here for all things GM. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying 53rd should go away; but why should anyone interested in building a GM visit CTN when they know this is where all the experts are? Former Blizzard Force DL here. I would like to offer my 2 cents. I think we can all agree that CT.n is overrun by a myriad of clone types and Galactic Marines are of marginal interest at best there. Blizzard Force would provide a welcome home with no strings attached to help spread knowledge of the costume. In fact I am considering doing a GM costume soon myself. Ultimately I will defer to the members here with what they would like but I would say that there is a desire to elevate cold-weather costumes of all types at our site and you will get as much exposure as you want there. And one day I think we'd be happy to see GM's flourish into a detachment of their own.
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Post by midniterider on Mar 18, 2013 15:38:31 GMT -5
As the current CTN DL, I understand and agree that there are quite a lot of clone costumes over on CTN. However, that is not the big reason the GM is not getting a lot of exposure there. It is the fact that most, if not ALL Legion members know about the 53rd FAC and go directly here for all things GM. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying 53rd should go away; but why should anyone interested in building a GM visit CTN when they know this is where all the experts are? Dave, I have to disagree with you here. Not all cadets, troopers, and members know about the 53rd FAC, however, it is the first link under the Galactic Marine thread on CTN (under the new format, and was posted as a sub-group under the old format). With that said, CTN has done nothing to this point to bring awareness and / or promote this costume. As a matter of fact, they are at the bottom of classifications of Realistic Clones (under the Kashyyyk / BARC troopers and they are NOT in the CTN umbrella). In is a FACT that the 53rd FAC has played a major role with getting the GM to where we are and growing in numbers, because of promoting them and extensive research. However, if the CTN would provide some promotion and give some awareness, the GM numbers in the Legion may be doubled or tripled at this point. And you stated, here in this conversation, that you WOULD NOT promote one type of clone over another, that all clones would be promoted as one ( 1 ). Again this may work with most clones, such as the realistic (501st Legion, Shocktrooper, 212th Battalion, 327th Star Corp., etc.), but will not work with the GM's or Republic Commandoes whom are completely different. By keeping the GM's in CTN, you are holding up the growth and advancement of that costume. Two (2) questions presented to you : 1). Quoting what you just wrote in your last post, "why should anyone interested in building a GM visit CTN when they know this is where all the experts are?" In addition, why should they stay in CTN? (Please provide other solid reasoning besides "they are clones?". 2). Based on the case that Blizzard Force has presented (which DOES NOT use references or information from Wikipedia nor the word "predecessor", BUT DOES focUS on main points including the canon appearances in Episode 3 and the Dark Horse Comics on sub-temperature planets in snow and ice), can you provide a SOLID reason (s) why the Galactic Marines should not be allowed to move to Blizzard Force? Again, the statement "they are clones" cannot apply to your answer. Thank you.
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Post by ti9327 on Mar 18, 2013 21:50:41 GMT -5
The Star Wars universe is filled with many different inconsistencies as well as similarities. A lot of elements of the new Trilogy were designed specifically to be similar to those of the Original Trilogy. Why? For continuity sake.
In the interest of maintaining the cohesion and consistency of both references as well as costume sourcing, the GM's are better served by remaining under the pervue of CTN. When you are an uniformed, new perspective member looking to find information on becoming a Galactic Marine, their first thought will be the CloneTrooper Detachment.
We need to be focused on the ease of enrollment with our perspective and existing members who choose to build this costume. Even children at our Library visits answer Galactic Marine when listing types of clones.
I am sorry to agree to disagree; however, your means of resolution to this matter is to vote for a new DL of CTN next year. I am not saying this to be smug, this is simply a matter of fact.
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Post by danrodjr on Mar 19, 2013 3:18:28 GMT -5
I do think that somehow, CTN needs to help promote the GM in some fashion, its too easy as a new member to think clone and images of clone grunts and commanders dance around in your head. The GM has a few mintues of screen time, a comic book, a part in a video game, and a few action figures. Out of the little information we gathered we developed an awesome costume and it gets better as time goes on. Were not even given props for that. CTN is a good place to be since we are clones, and clones need to stick together, but the 53rd's command staff are looking at some promotion of the GM so we can get more members and possible members saying, "Wow, I want to build that costume and be a Marine." Thats what we need, we want to troop in groups and Armies. We want to be seen and heard. We want the grunts to move over because we are marching by in our glory and honor. We are Devil Dogs, and guess what, not everyone can wear the armor of a GM!
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Post by ti9327 on Mar 19, 2013 7:03:55 GMT -5
I do think that somehow, CTN needs to help promote the GM in some fashion, its too easy as a new member to think clone and images of clone grunts and commanders dance around in your head. The GM has a few mintues of screen time, a comic book, a part in a video game, and a few action figures. Out of the little information we gathered we developed an awesome costume and it gets better as time goes on. Were not even given props for that. CTN is a good place to be since we are clones, and clones need to stick together, but the 53rd's command staff are looking at some promotion of the GM so we can get more members and possible members saying, "Wow, I want to build that costume and be a Marine." Thats what we need, we want to troop in groups and Armies. We want to be seen and heard. We want the grunts to move over because we are marching by in our glory and honor. We are Devil Dogs, and guess what, not everyone can wear the armor of a GM! And as I have said, I am nore than happy to do that, I need your suggestions. We are making lots of changes and improvements over at CTN in the coming months and any input you can provide will be greatly appreciated and helpful.
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Post by midniterider on Mar 19, 2013 7:13:31 GMT -5
I do think that somehow, CTN needs to help promote the GM in some fashion, its too easy as a new member to think clone and images of clone grunts and commanders dance around in your head. The GM has a few mintues of screen time, a comic book, a part in a video game, and a few action figures. Out of the little information we gathered we developed an awesome costume and it gets better as time goes on. Were not even given props for that. CTN is a good place to be since we are clones, and clones need to stick together, but the 53rd's command staff are looking at some promotion of the GM so we can get more members and possible members saying, "Wow, I want to build that costume and be a Marine." Thats what we need, we want to troop in groups and Armies. We want to be seen and heard. We want the grunts to move over because we are marching by in our glory and honor. We are Devil Dogs, and guess what, not everyone can wear the armor of a GM! I agree with you Dan 100%! However, this will not happen over at the CTN. If anyone goes back through the threads on this website, and reads the statements from the original creator off the 53rd FAC, his vision was to not only grow and develop this character and costume, but to in increase the numbers to one day perhaps become a detachment. The detachment leader of the CTN has clearly stated that he will not promote one clone over another and has the GM's towards the bottom of the Realistic Clone list even under the Barcs / Kashyyyks (that are not even within the CTN) and Clone firefighters. And the final determination and answer to this discussion will come front the Legion Membership Officer and his staff, whom will determine the course of action for the next steps (whether the case is dropped and nothing goes further, or if the case is SOLID and shall move on).
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Post by berzerker on Mar 19, 2013 8:17:03 GMT -5
Two (2) questions presented to you : 1). Quoting what you just wrote in your last post, "why should anyone interested in building a GM visit CTN when they know this is where all the experts are?" In addition, why should they stay in CTN? (Please provide other solid reasoning besides "they are clones?". This can't be the discussion. It has to be about BF vs. CTN, not 53rd Vs. CTN. I value the resources here but this is not a 501st detachment. The recent TDH/BHG debacle has shown that we need decisions made with the 501st Legion at the fore. The 'main' resource for any costume has to have the checks and balances of the 501st in place to ensure an elected Command and an accountable membership. IMHO, the 53rd is a complement to the 501st Detachment for the GM, in this case CTN. It is extremely valuable but if it becomes the primary source, I think, that would be a bad thing particularly if the membership increase by any multiple. I feel very fortunate to be a part of the community here and feel it is well lead and admin'd but with one person at the helm and no accountability to the Legion, that person could just shut it all down on a whim or ban members over person disagreements. I think the discussion needs to get back on track. No one questions the merits of this site, the 53rd, but it is not a factor in this discussion, just a location hosting the discussion.
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Post by midniterider on Mar 19, 2013 9:58:58 GMT -5
Two (2) questions presented to you : 1). Quoting what you just wrote in your last post, "why should anyone interested in building a GM visit CTN when they know this is where all the experts are?" In addition, why should they stay in CTN? (Please provide other solid reasoning besides "they are clones?". This can't be the discussion. It has to be about BF vs. CTN, not 53rd Vs. CTN. I value the resources here but this is not a 501st detachment. The recent TDH/BHG debacle has shown that we need decisions made with the 501st Legion at the fore. The 'main' resource for any costume has to have the checks and balances of the 501st in place to ensure an elected Command and an accountable membership. IMHO, the 53rd is a complement to the 501st Detachment for the GM, in this case CTN. It is extremely valuable but if it becomes the primary source, I think, that would be a bad thing particularly if the membership increase by any multiple. I feel very fortunate to be a part of the community here and feel it is well lead and admin'd but with one person at the helm and no accountability to the Legion, that person could just shut it all down on a whim or ban members over person disagreements. I think the discussion needs to get back on track. No one questions the merits of this site, the 53rd, but it is not a factor in this discussion, just a location hosting the discussion. Andy your statements are absolutely true and right on point. As I have said many times, and I will say this again, the 53rd Fast Attack Company will continue and stay as it is: an independent costuming group complimenting the 501st Legion, Rebel Legion, or any independent costumers. The discussion pertains to taking the GM costume and designation, within the 501st Legion , from CTN to the Blizzard Force. Despite the discussion getting heated at times, David is a friend of mine and is a member of my garrison within the 501st Legion. We may agree to disagree, but I have welcomed here in this discussion to provide the other side of the discussion. Whatever comes about, I will accept and abide with. And the regular, daily operations here at the 53rd FAC will continue as usual.
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Post by FANGS on Mar 19, 2013 15:42:20 GMT -5
Hello everyone!
My name is Angela and I'm one of those 3 people who have the dual GM/TS designations. I am a fiercly proud GM and soon I'll be working on upgrading it. I have one of, it not the earliest GM which was built by Torsoboy. I believe when I bought it and had it approved I was the 6th GM in the Legion. I'm going to be framing my 53rd FAC shoulderbell just as soon as I replace it.
Those that know me know that I recently "retired" from 3 years of Legion Command. I've been with the Legion since 2004 and have always been in a command position in some capcity. This is new territory for me as a regular trooper. I could just sit back and fade away as some do once they step down. But I'm choosing to become active in the areas that I haven't had the time for until now - detachments.
I was the LCOG that oversaw the BHG/TDH discussion and that was, to be polite, most unpleasant. But the good that's come out of that situation is that people are talking and participating on BHG and life is coming back. It really doesn't matter what the location is, or how much or little the DL promotes anything. It has everything to do with the members talking and contributing. BHG has a great chance now of becoming a fantastic resource for all 501st member and those wanting to become 501st.
Now I mention all of that because I truly believe that if we want the GM to be promoted it will take all of us to do it. Not just a DL. We all need to band together and make some decisions. I think we all have a lot to offer no matter where we are, but where we are needs to be something that most agree upon. I am more than willing to help out however I can. I'm good at talking. hahaha
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Post by danrodjr on Mar 20, 2013 14:25:19 GMT -5
FANGS, I am so happy to see you here on the 53rd boards!!!!!! And respect what you have to say. I dont want to see this get out of hand, but the truth is the truth, and FANGS you said it, it is US the GM's and the 53rd that has to be out there to get US noticed, the GM is the most awesome costume in the Star Wars universe ever!!! And BF or CTN will not make the difference, one thing for sure is that we need to the the GM section on CTN active, and refer people over to the 53rd site whenever possible. WE have to pipe up and get us outh there, not to mention our armor sources as well, I will be producing the HS GM Helmet here in the United States within the next coming months to get it available to members cheaper (It was a secret, but I guess now would be a good time to let the cat out of the bag.) RKD has the armor and others have the armor, now lets go and recuit members, the GM is super awesome, lets get people in the armor and get out there!!!!! BF and CTN, whatever!!!! 53 FAC - Oh-Rah!!!!!
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Post by ti9327 on Mar 20, 2013 15:25:40 GMT -5
Any GM vendor that would like to offer their items on CT , please feel free to if you have t already.
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Post by FANGS on Mar 25, 2013 11:29:52 GMT -5
I apologize for not being around. I'm going to do my best to rectify that.
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