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Post by berzerker on Mar 2, 2013 13:28:32 GMT -5
I always want the 53rdFAC to continue. Non-501st, sure but not all costumers want to be 501st and, I'm learning that in many parts of the world there are Star Wars groups outside of the 501st/RL. This is their home and chance to communicate with the GMs of all the groups.
Also, I HATE, the no WTB stance that ct.n has. If someone wants parts they should be able to ask without being jumped on. My first Ep III clone bucket came from StarFortress because I didn't know the background (alleged criminal and recasting) and it was easy to get. (yes, I did get it and the quality was good). I'm glad we don't have that rule here.
The 53rd will always be the primary source I send interested parties to.
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Post by midniterider on Mar 2, 2013 13:53:35 GMT -5
I always want the 53rdFAC to continue. Non-501st, sure but not all costumers want to be 501st and, I'm learning that in many parts of the world there are Star Wars groups outside of the 501st/RL. This is their home and chance to communicate with the GMs of all the groups. Also, I HATE, the no WTB stance that ct.n has. If someone wants parts they should be able to ask without being jumped on. My first Ep III clone bucket came from StarFortress because I didn't know the background (alleged criminal and recasting) and it was easy to get. (yes, I did get it and the quality was good). I'm glad we don't have that rule here. The 53rd will always be the primary source I send interested parties to. As stated Andy, the 53rd FAC will stay right here and continue to be an independent group. It is NOT being moved, as some people are misunderstanding. The whole idea behind trying to move the 501st Legion designation is being it to the detachment where it naturally belongs, and to assist with development, promotion, and increasing our numbers. No matter where it stays, the 53rs FAC will always be recommended for reference and information.
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Post by midniterider on Mar 2, 2013 13:59:33 GMT -5
I wanted to thank everyone for their input, opinions, and participation on this subject. I want to go on the record and say that I respect everyone's opinion no matter how my stance may come off. Keep it coming, very good discussion and a lot of great points on both sides of the fence.
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Post by midniterider on Mar 3, 2013 15:17:05 GMT -5
Some other food for thought...the 501st Legion has 100 costumes listed under the CTN, with the Galactic Marines being one of them. This is listed under the CRL listings for CTN on 501st website.
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Post by danrodjr on Mar 3, 2013 23:08:51 GMT -5
Hard decisions, great discussions from all......Has BF been spoken too and are they receptive on bringing us on board???
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Post by midniterider on Mar 3, 2013 23:34:52 GMT -5
Blizzard Force is very interested in bringing the 501st Legion Galactic Marines over to their detachment. This has been brought up in the past, however, only reached preliminary discussions and ended there. They would create a category on their main forums for the GM, and a link to the 53rd FAC for information ( the same set up over at the CTN).
Now I understand what happened over at BSN and agree the Kashyyyk Troopers got the short end, but I can assure you that there is no political agendas here. Just asking for all to take in all the facts, and look at what is best for the Galactic Marines...and leave out the statement "well they are clones".
And the 53rd FAC will continue to thrive and operate as it is right now -- an independent costuming group focusing and promoting the Galactic Marines. Thanks again for all the participation in this discussion.
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Post by redkraytdragon on Mar 4, 2013 3:09:22 GMT -5
Considering that the 53rd FAC will continue on as usual, I really don't see any reason why we shouldn't do this.
...thoughts everyone???
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Post by Krazy Ivan on Mar 4, 2013 4:52:06 GMT -5
Well I never had an issue with GM's going to Blizzard Force, I thought it was a natural move for us GM's to grow.
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Post by danrodjr on Mar 8, 2013 22:47:02 GMT -5
Any one else going to chime in on this? Anyone? ?
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Post by ti9327 on Mar 8, 2013 23:46:56 GMT -5
I wanted to pop in and offer my thoughts here. I am Dave C, the DL over at CTN. Yes, what Ken said is true; not only am I the DL for CTN, but I am also the webmaster for my Garrison. However, my primary focus and attention is given to CTN. The Webmaster position takes little to no time to perform on a day-to-day basis, which is allows me to focus on CTN.
Allow me to assure everyone that my heart and soul and total focus is on CTN and the promotion of ALL clones, not just the clones I have approved. I am working to better CTN and to promote clones as a whole. I would never attempt to promote 1 clone costume over another and steer a new member in a certain direction.
Moving the GM's to Blizzard Force because they are the predecessor to the Snowtrooper or share some similarities to the TS are not the right reasons for this move. Sure, their only scene on screen was a snow planet; but that does not change the fact that they are clones, and all clones should stick together.
I ask that you give me a chance to show you that GM's are just as important to me and to CTN and the Animated clones or the Clone Commanders are. I am open to any and all suggestions, so if anyone has any ideas on how to promote the GM then by all means please send them to me. I am open to working with the 53rd FAC and increasing the number of GM costumes in the Legion.
Thank you for your time. I reiterate, please give me a chance. Work with me and CTN.
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Post by heatshock on Mar 9, 2013 21:45:00 GMT -5
nice one Dave. IF the suggestions on CT.net for company leaders or squad leaders - I vote Ken or Dan!
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Post by midniterider on Mar 10, 2013 14:26:33 GMT -5
I wanted to pop in and offer my thoughts here. I am Dave C, the DL over at CTN. Yes, what Ken said is true; not only am I the DL for CTN, but I am also the webmaster for my Garrison. However, my primary focus and attention is given to CTN. The Webmaster position takes little to no time to perform on a day-to-day basis, which is allows me to focus on CTN. Allow me to assure everyone that my heart and soul and total focus is on CTN and the promotion of ALL clones, not just the clones I have approved. I am working to better CTN and to promote clones as a whole. I would never attempt to promote 1 clone costume over another and steer a new member in a certain direction. First of all, I would like to welcome Dave Castenello to the 53rd Fast Attack Company, and not only thank him for his time but also for participating in this discussion. While I can appreciate his heart and soul is with all of the clones, he has just stated that would promote all clones as a whole and he would never attempt to promote one clone over another. The problem is the Galactic Marine is a completely different style clone, in appearance and build. I can attest for this because I have built three (3) different Episode III clones from the ground up. This theory would work for standard grunts, Shocktroopers. 327th Star Corps., 41st Elite Corp. (Coruscant), 212th battalion. If you are not willing to steer a member to a certain type of clone, then how is the number of GM's going to grow in the Legion. Blizzard Force is ready to provide an atmosphere that will PROMOTE and bring AWARENESS to the GM, not just the clones. Moving the GM's to Blizzard Force because they are the predecessor to the Snowtrooper or share some similarities to the TS are not the right reasons for this move. Sure, their only scene on screen was a snow planet; but that does not change the fact that they are clones, and all clones should stick together. Blizzard Force has built their case through investigation of the character, costume, and actual visual references. We did not use the word "predecessor" an used no information from Wikipedia (which is not a reputable source of information). The statement of keeping the GM's with CTN "because they are clones" does not hold a solid ground, and is certainly not enough reasoning to not allow the move. I ask that you give me a chance to show you that GM's are just as important to me and to CTN and the Animated clones or the Clone Commanders are. I am open to any and all suggestions, so if anyone has any ideas on how to promote the GM then by all means please send them to me. I am open to working with the 53rd FAC and increasing the number of GM costumes in the Legion. Two simple questions? 1. What has the CTN done to promote, strengthen, and bring awareness to this character? 2. State the current plans to work with the GM's (referring to before this discussion and proposed move was made? Bottom line is the Blizzard Force has been PROACTIVE with approaching the GM's. they wan to bring the GM's into their detachment and focus and work with them. Now that the move proposal was made and it is being discussed, the CTN is being REACTIVE. I honestly do not think any promotion was planned until now. In addition, why should the GM's have to go to the CTN, when the CTN should be coming to us. The Blizzard Force has come to us.
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Post by danrodjr on Mar 10, 2013 22:18:37 GMT -5
Midniterider has a valid point in regard to CTN and BF. Heat Shock and ti9327 also has good points, your thoughts Troopers?
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Post by ti9327 on Mar 10, 2013 22:36:25 GMT -5
First of all, I would like to welcome Dave Castenello to the 53rd Fast Attack Company, and not only thank him for his time but also for participating in this discussion. While I can appreciate his heart and soul is with all of the clones, he has just stated that would promote all clones as a whole and he would never attempt to promote one clone over another. The problem is the Galactic Marine is a completely different style clone, in appearance and build. I can attest for this because I have built three (3) different Episode III clones from the ground up. This theory would work for standard grunts, Shocktroopers. 327th Star Corps., 41st Elite Corp. (Coruscant), 212th battalion. If you are not willing to steer a member to a certain type of clone, then how is the number of GM's going to grow in the Legion. Blizzard Force is ready to provide an atmosphere that will PROMOTE and bring AWARENESS to the GM, not just the clones. Thank you, Ken, for the welcome and allowing me to join in this discussion. I will admit, I am not well versed in the discussion to either have a GM detachment or in the original suggestions to move the Gm to Blizzard Force. I have been an active costumer and 501st member since May 2011 and in a command staff position since March 2012 when I became Webmaster of CTN. I have not until now been privy to any of the arguments or discussions for moving the GM; nor have I had any real say in what CTN does until I became the DL in October 2012. Yes, the GM's are a different type of clone build when compared to any of the full armored clones. However, who are we as the DL's or advisors or even just regular members to attempt to steer anyone towards a particular costume. People choose to build a particular costume because of the recognistion of that costume or their overall thought that a particular costume is "bad ass". If they see a costume they like, they are going to build it. And no matter the amount of "promotion" you do, whether through merchandise or posters or nudging by another member is going to change their minds. Many of the new members I have seen over at CTN since I became a member back in 2011 join with a specific clone costume build in mind. In all of 2012, CTN had over 118,000 unique visitors. That is quite a lot of eyes looking at CTN and the various clone threads we have. Granted, there has been no official merchandise with a GM on it to date, but that is not the only way to promote a costume, especially when that merchandise is available to a select group of people. How can CTN properly PROMOTE the GM to those 118,000 pairs of eyes when the only GM armor parts for sale there are the GM helmet and backpack or when there are just a few active build threads over on CTN? Why can't your amror vendors cross-post here and at CTN and even Blizzard Force? There is no rule against selling a prop for a particular costume just at that costume's detachment. Heck, CTN has a sale thread for 2 bounty hunter costume armor and no one is complaining. Why can't that be done with GM armor? Please allow me to ask a simple question out of curiousity. How does Blizzard Force plan to actively promote the GM when they are going to do the EXACT same thing as over on CTN and link back here to the 53rd FAC? Will you require your members to post build threads both on BZ & the 53rd? You asked the question preveusly as to why CTN "allowed" the Kashyyyk Troopers to go to Pathfinders. CTN did not allow anything. I was informed by one of the founding members of CTN that when CTN was being set up, the Pathfinders simply made the Kashyyyk Troopers a part of their detachment and since CTN was still in its infancy, they had little let to stand on. Two simple questions? 1. What has the CTN done to promote, strengthen, and bring awareness to this character? 2. State the current plans to work with the GM's (referring to before this discussion and proposed move was made? Bottom line is the Blizzard Force has been PROACTIVE with approaching the GM's. they wan to bring the GM's into their detachment and focus and work with them. Now that the move proposal was made and it is being discussed, the CTN is being REACTIVE. I honestly do not think any promotion was planned until now. In addition, why should the GM's have to go to the CTN, when the CTN should be coming to us. The Blizzard Force has come to us. The following quote is directly from the 501st Charter definition of what a Detachment is: Now correct me if I misread that quote, but it seems to me that CTN's job is to bring awareness to the ENTIRE clone costume category and not just 1 particular subcategory. No, to date, CTN has not done anything to promote the GM's. But if you look at it, a majority of the clones covered under CTN have not been actively promoted. Of the 5 CTN coins produced over the past years, 2 simply display a "66" (in reference to Order 66) in the back of the CTN logo, 1 simply displays clone helmets. The remaining 2 coins have an RC on 1 and a Shocktrooper, 327th and basic E3 grunt on them. What about ALL of the Animated clones? Captain Rex? Cody? None of them have been actively promoted. You are correct, no promotion of the GM was planned over at CTN. What we are currently planning on is promoting CANCER AWARENESS through the sale of a shirt in order to build awareness for Cancer research. I took over as DL back in October. And in that time I have been trying to clean up CTN for the better. Currently there are quite a lot areas that need cleaning up and improving. But these take time. One aspect of my plan includes adding a full gallery where we can showcase the various clone references as well as member costumes. I have also been kicking around a way to update CTN's main site as well. There are a plethera of opportunities for promoting the various costumes that are being explored (even before this proposal hit my "desK"). As I said in my previous post, all I ask is for a chance to work with the 53rd FAC to better showcase the GM's. I have a lot of great ideas for CTN and together we can properly showcase the GM's in all their glory.
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Post by berzerker on Mar 11, 2013 10:00:15 GMT -5
Man, my opinion seems to change daily on this one.
Personally, I chose the GM because it is bad ass, but it is also a rare costume. I was #23 approved and a good number of those before me would not meet today's standards. Being elite is being a part of the few. If the GM started appearing more frequently, my love for the costume would likely wane. In fact, a local member just picked up a full armour kit and it had me considering the sale of my GM. I'm past that thought now but it was a serious consideration.
I wonder what Filoni and the CW crew might do with the GM in the next 3 years (reports are that writing has been done til the end of season 8) Will a GM/Bacara storyline change anyone's opinion on where we fit? Dunno. But if it did happen it would surely show them as clones. We all know they are clones, sure, but would it reinforce their position at CTN? What if they are seen on a tropical planet?
In the end, I don't really care where we are placed. Either way, we will fill a super small part of the Detachment. The only way to promote the character is for the cost of armour kits to drop - dramatically. I believe it would cost over $1200 for all the kit parts at present. That is substantially more than most every other BF or CTN costume. On top of that is the expense of shipping becasue no one supplier makes all the parts.
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