GM: CRL Discussion

[shocknurse]

I know that Frank (Steelblitz) is working on this over on CT.net, but I thought we could re-open this for discussion seeing as how the costume standards that were previously listed are dated and in need of updating.

REQUIRED:

ARMOR:

1) Galactic Marine (GM) specific helmet with accurate hard inner liner for cowl attachment and accurate white cowl (discuss matieral)[glow=red,2,300](deleted TS modification; RATIONALE = GM helmet available)[/glow]
2) GM chest plate [glow=red,2,300](deleted TS modification; RATIONALE = GM chest available)[/glow]
3) Back Plate (Standard Clone)
4) Left Shoulder (GM/BARC style-specific)
5) Right Shoulder (GM specific; TB-style with straight-cut bottom and raised details)
6) Bicep (Standard Clone)
7) Elbow (Standard Clone?); possible new reference has surfaced regarding the elbow(s). This is from a high res screen grab by FBK on CT.net:


8) Forearm (Standard Clone, no compad)
9) Handplates (Standard Clone)
10) GM knee plates with strap attachment greeblies (GM/BARC style-specific; check with Ep3 grunt CRL to gain consistency on knee greeblies)
11) GM shins/calf (GM/BARC style-specific with 2 white straps and 4-black buckles per shin [2 adjustment buckles, 2 quick-click type found on outer aspect of calf)
12) Toe/Boot armor with raised details (GM/BARC style-specific)
13) Correct Clone elbow and knee straps (1 knee strap possibly gray)

Armor Accessories

1) Accurate chest greeblies (3; round, oval, and small raised details; not inset)
2) Chest bandolier (black leather?)
3) Chest boxes (4 total; 3 similar, 1 unique)
4) Bicep ammo strap (same as knee strap); white with weathering? or white outer and gray inner/raised sections?
5) 2 bicep ammo boxes (smaller in size than those found on chest)

Soft Parts

1) Upper body covering: black Under Armor or equivalent or ribbed turtle neck
2) Clone-style neck seal or equivalent (possibly not "required" because cowl will hide anyway)
3) Lower body covering: light to medium gray pants that extend upwards to at least the lower edge of the chest armor with cargo-style pockets with straight-edge flap on anterior aspect of thigh; back closure; no seams on front panel
4) black leather or leather-like gloves
5) shoulder pads/pauldron that do not extend significanlty past shoulders (whether they are individual pads vs. a one-piece pauldron is debateable)
6) kama with white straps; with or without white rank striping; kama has a slit in the back.
7) GM accurate belt with GM specific "buckles"
8) Two (2) large belt pouches
9) Two (2) small belt pouches
10) Acceptable boots; tan sole with acceptable sole shape, extend up calf to at least the bottom of the shin armor

RECOMMENDED:

1) Weathering; suggested weathering style is black wash or layered weathering using dark gray or black undercoats. Minimize or eliminate bright silver metallic weathering
2) Clone shoulder straps

OPTIONAL:

1) GM specific backpack (this is debateable given that the GM in BF2 does not have a backpack. In that case, I do believe that the backplate insert has different details and is black.)
1) DC-15L Long Rifle
2) DC-15S Carbine
3) rotary gun (as seen in BF2)


I'm sure I missed something, so others please chime in!

[Toyhunter80's]

I believe the undershirt and gloves to be a gray color, not black. I also think that a standard clone backplate will not match up with the chest plate. I agree that the backpack should be optional but I know that my Garrison GML said that my Marine MUST have a backpack to be accepted since the BFII Clone Commander character is not an acceptable 501st costume.

[shocknurse]

I can see where you are coming from with the gray undershirt, though it is hard to say for certain given the poor lighting in some of the reference pictures.

It appears that given the lighting characteristics, a gray (even a dark gray), would show a bit more contrast in some of the pics. For example:




Though, on the Gentle Giant bust, the undershirt does have a gray quality to it, as do the gloves.

I would love to say that for the CRL you could go with either, but I really wouldn't want to see GMs out there with gray and black undershirts... I like consistency!

Has anyone tried matching up a TC or CT backplate with a GM chest from Dan?

Finally, I'm trying to get some clarity from the others GMLs and Thomas regarding the BF2 situation. Stay tuned...

[DarthJen]

DL sells a matching backplate. So in theory if you're already buying the chest plate from him you could just get the back as well.

[Leo73]

When I bought my DL chest, I got the back plate with it as well.

[shocknurse]

I have heard, from a couple of sources, that the DL chest and back plates don't meet up very well. Some have had to add ABS to cover the gap.

NOTE: EDITED FIRST POST

[Toyhunter80's]

Apr 8, 2009 13:28:07 GMT -5 shocknurse said:

I have heard, from a couple of sources, that the DL chest and back plates don't meet up very well. Some have had to add ABS to cover the gap.

NOTE: EDITED FIRST POST

I guess they would meet up fine if I didn't look like I swallowed a basketball.

[RamZnation]

Apr 8, 2009 20:58:32 GMT -5 Toyhunter80's said:

Apr 8, 2009 13:28:07 GMT -5 shocknurse said:

I have heard, from a couple of sources, that the DL chest and back plates don't meet up very well. Some have had to add ABS to cover the gap.

NOTE: EDITED FIRST POST

I guess they would meet up fine if I didn't look like I swallowed a basketball.

That makes 2 of us.

As far as the new detail on the Elbow, I think a little bondo can fix this to those who already have elbows for their GM.

[journeymanprotector]

I think my chest is a Laws. I'm not sure about the backplate but Sgtcarida did have to shim it to make them meet up. I'm about to tackle the seam myself to make sure it fits me better.

[journeymanprotector]

Here's a few things I had thoughts on:

ARMOR:


5) Right Shoulder (GM specific; TB-style with straight-cut bottom and raised details) - - I think the right shoulder is longer than a standard TB, any thoughts? The one I made up is about 130% as long as a TB


10) GM knee plates with strap attachment greeblies (GM/BARC style-specific) (should these be necessary?)


13) Correct Clone shoulder, elbow, and knee straps (1 knee strap possibly gray) (shoulder straps aren't visible, is that necessary?)
Armor Accessories


OPTIONAL:

Z-6 (is that the right name?) rotary gun, depending
on decision re BFII



Phil

[shocknurse]

Good points Phil!

The right shoulder extends and overlaps the bicep on the GG bust. It also appears to do the same on Sith Snapshot and the screen caps. I would say that as long as the shape is consistent with a TB style bell (def not the same as the left) and has the raised ridge details, I wouldn't get too caught up with how long it is. Fair enough?

The knee greeblies are not clearly visible in the screen caps, but you can see them on the right knee in Sith Snapshot #1. These are the same greeblies found on standard clones. I would suggest that we align with what they set the CRL as for a Ep3 clone grunt.

The should straps are not seen, so these could certainly be "recommended". I suppose that I was thinking that since the chest and back have to be connected somehow, you may as well use straps.

The rotary gun should be an option given the appearance in BF2.

[DarthJen]

So what about the left shoulder? Is it a standard clone shoulder? Since I had gotten a set of TB bells to modify for the right, I just cut the left to match the shape. Will this be sufficient? Or should I be hunting down a clone shoulder?

In some of the shots the elbow straps look grey to me. Of course the lighting isn't all that great. Are we all agreed that they are white?

Also, the belt holding the ammo boxes to the right bicep is listed as the same as the knee strap. Would you say it's grey or white?

[il-matic (Lloyd M.)]

Apr 6, 2009 17:52:34 GMT -5 Toyhunter80's said:

I believe the undershirt and gloves to be a gray color, not black.

For the last time, it's black w/ dark gray (ash) weathering. Look closely at the screen shots.

[shocknurse]

Apr 15, 2009 11:33:31 GMT -5 DarthJen said:

So what about the left shoulder? Is it a standard clone shoulder? Since I had gotten a set of TB bells to modify for the right, I just cut the left to match the shape. Will this be sufficient? Or should I be hunting down a clone shoulder?

In some of the shots the elbow straps look grey to me. Of course the lighting isn't all that great. Are we all agreed that they are white?

Also, the belt holding the ammo boxes to the right bicep is listed as the same as the knee strap. Would you say it's grey or white?

IMO, the left shoulder is the same as the BARC trooper. It is NOT a standard clone shoulder.

As you say, it is hard to say what color the elbow straps are. IMO, they are white with weathering.

IMO, the bicep ammo strap is either all white with weathering or has white outer edges and a gray inner/raised section; similar to what is seen on standard clone armor.

[journeymanprotector]

Apr 17, 2009 13:53:28 GMT -5 shocknurse said:

IMO, the left shoulder is the same as the BARC trooper. It is NOT a standard clone shoulder.

That's my understanding as well. I think it was 'agreed' that because the boots and shins are shared with the Kashyyyk (not technically the BARC, jury still out on the name lol) Trooper that the left shoulder bell very likely is the same as well.

Phil