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Post by tc0437 on Nov 9, 2010 12:49:43 GMT -5
Exactly, why invent the wheel when we have worked for so long to establish The Fighting 53rd. I cant understand at all how that name could possibly put people off, but changing the name seems like a huge step backwards.
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Post by il-matic (Lloyd M.) on Nov 9, 2010 13:49:10 GMT -5
How will it be a step backwards?
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Post by midniterider on Nov 9, 2010 18:26:14 GMT -5
Exactly, why invent the wheel when we have worked for so long to establish The Fighting 53rd. I would have to agree. While I like the idea and name of the 21st Nova Corps., the 53rd FAC is already established and well recognized. As I quoted at the start of this thread, it started off as idea of a battlion or special unit, branched off from the 21st Nova Corp. Over the years, Galactic Marines past and present pooled all their knowledge, banded together, and built this costuming group and site from the ground up and to where it is now ---> a site where newcomers and costuming veterans can build a top notch GM. Ill-matic has a good point about the Blizzard Force, however, if you look at the MEPD or Krayt Clan...there is no official "references" to those titles in the Star Wars Universe (ie. Wikipedia or Wookiepedia). My vote and opinion would be stay with the title 53rd FAC, but we design of new logo....as Ramz has already posted (looking for ideas or all of us) and is trying to get together. |
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Post by il-matic (Lloyd M.) on Nov 10, 2010 0:15:21 GMT -5
I say we vote on it (eventually). I know a good number of guys that would join in (if this group ever does become an detachment) that are already in the 501st. It would also motivate me & my SoCal Garrison friends (who are also working on GM's) to get some patches & tshirts made. In my honest opinion, I believe it is time to turn a new chapter in this group since we are pushing towards detachment status in the 501st and go for a complete makeover.
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Post by tc0437 on Nov 10, 2010 20:07:01 GMT -5
How will it be a step backwards? Many of us have been on these boards for several years now, creating a GM identity known as the 53rd FAC. We've had merchandise created and have established a presence and acknowledgement with the Clonetrooper Detachment. Now you're saying to scrap everything we've been working on for years, to start over with a new name that almost nobody has heard of, just so you and your SoCal buddies might get motivated to make some patches and shirts. That's a huge step backwards and only serves the wants of a small few. What exactly puts-off you and your friends about the name 53rd FAC? |
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Post by il-matic (Lloyd M.) on Nov 10, 2010 20:16:16 GMT -5
It is just a made up name, Steve. It would make more sense if the GM's did not already have a reference name like it is mentioned in Wookiepedia. It would be cool if we could match Blizzard Force (or come close to) in terms of having a valid detachment name & a sizable membership. Let's vote on it & let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by tc0437 on Nov 10, 2010 21:25:34 GMT -5
The 501st Legion is a made up name as well. And for that matter, anybody can change Wookkiepedia. So I wouldn't necessarily take anything from there as gospel from the maker. For that matter, very few Garrisons, Outposts, or Detachments are named directly after specific Star Wars names. All have some bit of personal touch from the people who created them.
The most beautiful thing George Lucas did was to not answer everything and leave something to the imagination. His greatest gift, in fact, has been to instill a sense of wonder and creativity in everyones lives that he has influenced. If we start limiting ourselves to only copying the things he created, we do him as well as ourselves a disservice.
Don't get me wrong, I like the name and what's been created about the 21st. I think it would make a great sub-group within the 53rd. But I don't believe we should destroy everything we've created and worked on, just to clone what somebody else created. Just like I don't believe we should change the name of the Fighting 501st Legion of Imperial Stormtroopers, just to come up with a name that came directly from George's mouth.
Please don't take my comments as confrontational. This is a discussion thread and open to all opinions. And we all have the right to help create a detachment we want to be a part of.
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Post by il-matic (Lloyd M.) on Nov 10, 2010 21:38:02 GMT -5
Many of us have been on these boards for several years now, creating a GM identity known as the 53rd FAC. We've had merchandise created and have established a presence and acknowledgement with the Clonetrooper Detachment. What do you mean by "us"  I have been apart of this group just as long as you have. Also, what personally have you contributed to this group? Please don't try & turn this into a "me vs. the 53rd" debate, ok? Also, we don't EVEN have shirts made yet? What "merchandise" are you talking about??? |
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Post by tc0437 on Nov 10, 2010 22:55:55 GMT -5
I never said you haven't been a part of it, "us" encompasses many people. Why you would think you weren't a part of the "us" that's been around here, well that's for your own insecurities to figure out. I also never said it was "you vs. The 53rd". That was all you claiming that the name 53rd could possibly put people off and that it needs to "turn a new chapter". And obviously you missed the run of patches that I produced for us.  Maybe if you weren't so worried about changing everything to suit just a few of you, you would discover "we" have created an awesome thing for everyone. |
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Post by il-matic (Lloyd M.) on Nov 10, 2010 23:12:35 GMT -5
Just patches, my point exactly. You make it look like there has been completed runs of decals, shirts, signs, etc. Why not come out & say "I" instead of "we"? Speaking for the whole group of GM's here is just downright dishonest.
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Post by il-matic (Lloyd M.) on Nov 10, 2010 23:19:48 GMT -5
Why you would think you weren't a part of the "us" that's been around here, well that's for your own insecurities to figure out. It's the way you word things, man. It's not a "me" vs. "we" thing, it's your opinion vs. mine. Let's call it for what it is & cut the b.s. |
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Post by tc0437 on Nov 10, 2010 23:28:29 GMT -5
I said "we" have all been working to create and establish the 53rd's identity, not merchandise. Are you gonna tell Ramz that he's done nothing because he hasn't done a run of coins? Of course not! Are you saying that you've done nothing here just because you haven't done a shirt run? I don't think so! Every single person that posts on these forums, does merch runs, builds a GM, or even says the 53rd name to somebody has contributed here. So when I say "we" have made this happen, not dishonest at all! You sell yourself and all of "us" short with your comments. Have a little more pride in yourself, please! I'm proud of all of you that have kept this board alive while I collect all the parts needed for my GM build.
And yes, the patches came about because "I" stepped up and had them produced. Any member, including yourself, has a right to create merchandise. But that doesn't happen by pointing fingers at others, only by raising your own hand to volunteer.
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Post by midniterider on Nov 10, 2010 23:31:38 GMT -5
We are all here because we are passionate about the Galactic Marine and everyone contributes to this group....whether it be logging in,WIPS, or engaging in a discussion and organizing a detachment. I think it is great that this thread is creating discussion and bringing back veteran members as well as newer members. Heck this is the most "action" I have seen in a while...LOL. Anyway we need to get back to the topic on hand and focus on organzing this detachment, if that is where the members would like to take this group.
Allow me to post up the lastest updates of our status:
1. Today, another Galactic Marine received his 501st approval and his GM designation. GM-3440 (Ashley) from the United Kingdom. The official count of 501st approved GM's is now fifteen (15) with another member in the UK that has been "cleared" (possibly approved). I have reached to this member to get opinion on forming a detachment.
2. Currently we have passed the first step: minimum five (5) approved 501st members. We have six (6) confirmed 501st approved GM's that are on board, with the full support of a GM in Canada. I am still trying to reach out and communicate to the GM's in Europe (6 total ---> Germany, Italy, and Spain).
3. I contacted the detachment leader of the Clonetroopers Detachment and informed him of the preliminary investigation, discussions, and possible intent of forming a detachment. I received this reply from the Webmaster (whom I assume was relayed the message):
" Michael forwarded me your PM regarding starting a GM detachment.
While I have no immediate objections to your moving forward with the project I have posted it to the CTN staff for comment.
I would also like to, with your permission start a thread in the 501st members section to allow the membership to weigh in on the idea of forming a GM detachment and provide you an arena to discuss the pros and cons of it becoming a separate unit within the Legion.
There is a trend towards the Detachment leadership being more involved in Legion operations mainly through the creation and maintenance of the CRLs and as costume class advisors to the LMO.
My only concern is that you may not have sufficient members to support the operations of a full detachment however we can discuss that further in the thread.
By the way do you have or can you get CRL images to me for the GM CRL?
Regards,
Kris"
Now I have not seen any discussion threads posted on the Clonetroopers.net yet, nor have I heard any other response from other Clonetroopers Detachment command staff. I am going to give it another week and I am going to communicate with them. Here was my reply:
" I have no problem with you starting and posting a thread in the 501st members section to allow the membership to weigh in on the idea of forming a GM detachment, so you have my "permission" and full support. I was not actually aware that there was an official CRL for the Galactic Marine...when building my approved GM I used information that was posted under a thread entitled "GM CRL Discussion" which is located on page 4 of the GM section of CTN, last posted up on April 8, 2009. There are pictures available on the 53rd FAC showing front, rear, and side shots and they are very detailed / identifying all the parts and components. However, it is quite outdated ---> 2005. Obviously there has been great strides in availablity of supplies, armor, and knowledge of the costume and character. I can send these pics or I can send you pics of my recently approved Galactic Marine. Thanks for your time.
At this time I would recommend lets start organizing our thoughts and ideas. We need to come up with, as a collective group and all opinions are welcome, all the pros to the formation of a Galactic Marine Detatchment. How would it benefit the Legion? Why would we want to split off from the Clonetroopers Detachment? We need to cover all our bases. The first thing I would like to mention to this group and I will inform them is: Since I started my Gm project in February of 2010, our 501st approved GM members have increased close to 50 % with more costumers and GM's close to their completion. When I started there was only 8 approved GM's and as of today there is now 15. Please post up thoughts and ideas.
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Post by il-matic (Lloyd M.) on Nov 11, 2010 1:03:02 GMT -5
At this time I would recommend lets start organizing our thoughts and ideas. We need to come up with, as a collective group and all opinions are welcome, all the pros to the formation of a Galactic Marine Detatchment. How would it benefit the Legion? Why would we want to split off from the Clonetroopers Detachment? We need to cover all our bases. Please post up thoughts and ideas. Good idea, Ken. My thoughts on the detachment subject is that I think having a GM detachment would be a good idea mainly because it would encourage other units to follow suit. The only problem I see with that though, is that there are SO many clone costumes compared to the OT ones. So, I guess we should bring this up at CT.N & see what the other folks think about it. |
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Post by RamZnation on Nov 15, 2010 21:54:54 GMT -5
I was wondering once we do in fact become a 501st detachment...
* Will that affect any with those who also have Rebel Legion legion affiliation? (see as we will be a GM exclusive detachment)
* We will also have to place a vote on who is going to be CO, and XO.
... candidates will have to be 501st and regular members of the Forum.
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