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Post by journeymanprotector on Mar 9, 2009 17:51:31 GMT -5
Hey folks, I know we've touched on this here and there, thought it would be helpful to nail down a specific thread on the topic. With the screen shots and CG model it was kind of ambiguous about whether these cheeks were indentations that the cowl ADHERES TO or were hard pieces that the COWL GOES BEHIND. Looking at the Gentle Giant bust, it seems clear that they felt they were a hard form that holds the cowl back. Any thoughts on this? I'm thinking that I like the GG version. It would really help to define the cheek area. The SGB helmet does a good job with the upper cheek area, but it just flows downward from there, not making the distinctive triangle shape we see on the 'real' helmet. Interested to hear your thoughts, Phil
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Post by journeymanprotector on Mar 10, 2009 2:47:01 GMT -5
So I made a couple of plastic flaps and made the cheeks, was really pretty simple. I am very pleased with how they came out. Tell me what you think. This was sgtcarida's helmet, haven't changed anything but the cowl and cheeks. Phil
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Post by Toyhunter80's on Mar 11, 2009 18:32:24 GMT -5
I went with hard triangles that go over the cowl too. I think it looks the most accurate. It is very hard to make these things that have never really existed in real life. Yours looks great.
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Post by shocknurse on Apr 9, 2009 12:16:19 GMT -5
To expand on that, it appears that the "inner liner" is what the cowl attaches to and wraps around the circumference of the helmet, extending 1-1.5" below the bottom lip of the helmet in the rear.
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Post by Toyhunter80's on Apr 9, 2009 16:50:02 GMT -5
Maybe a continuous piece of plastic, or other stiff material, to go from the cheek triangles around the back.
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Post by RamZnation on Apr 10, 2009 2:18:30 GMT -5
I agree with Shocknurse. The piece does extend a bit lower than the helmet part on the cowl according to the Sith Snapshot, the GG bust, and also the Hasbro GM action figure. I'll see if I can take and post some pictures tomorrow after I get out of class.
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Post by DarthJen on Apr 10, 2009 11:35:06 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but kind of related....Is it just me or does the GG statue have a really long neck? I just wonder how realistic it is to get the liner and cowl to show around the backside of the helmet.
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Post by Toyhunter80's on Apr 10, 2009 19:33:05 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but kind of related....Is it just me or does the GG statue have a really long neck? I just wonder how realistic it is to get the liner and cowl to show around the backside of the helmet. Maybe the helmet we are all using is too big for most of us. I know the mine nearly touches my shoulders leaving no real way of showing anything in the back. The cowl just folds up underneath.
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Post by journeymanprotector on Apr 12, 2009 2:53:56 GMT -5
I think that the helmet is just smaller (shorter top-to-bottom) and so it makes the neck look longer. I'm beginning to suspect that the SGB helmet need a couple inches taken off the lower lip around the back. The helmet doesn't dip down in the back like Vader, it should go straight across.
I haven't started to play with that part of my upgrade yet, but I believe that explains some of the discrepancy between the GG bust or 3d models and our helmets.
Phil
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Post by shocknurse on Apr 13, 2009 20:32:50 GMT -5
Didn't really pay much attention to that before, but you're right...sorta like an ostrich! Once I get the bucket, I'm going to play around with some styrene and ABS to see if I can imitate the look.
I'll look hard at the ref pics, but to Phil's point, the helmet may need to be trimmed.
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Post by Toyhunter80's on Apr 15, 2009 19:29:21 GMT -5
To add to what I was saying before about my helmet not seeming right, it also looks a bit too wide. I am a smaller guy (5'6") and it takes up most of my shoulders and comes down almost to the back of my neck. It is the standard SGB model. I feel like a bobble head in it.
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Post by RamZnation on Apr 15, 2009 20:20:20 GMT -5
I think the design of the GM helemet is a little different than the SGB. No offese the SGB's work, since I do own a SGB bucket, and love the look of it, but I have noticed some discrepancies since this started. I'll add a few pictures here and there, and will try to post some better ones if I get home from school early. I did some comparisons with the CG turnaround, Hasbro figure, Gentle Giant bust, and SGB bucket. FRONT VIEW: Something I have noticed the GM helemet is a little more triangular shaped than the SGB which is rounded off. You see this on the model turnaround I posted earlier, as opposed to the SGB which is a little more boxy. GM (found an image of the Hasbro action figure, but you can also notice it on the CG model: SGB: SIDE VIEW: I also noticed this from seeing the SGB and the digital reference. The side/bottom the bucket is lower than the where the Bridge of the nose plate, as where the CG/Hasbro GM helmet bottom tends to end up at the about the same length and the check area goes a little lower and around the whole helmet. This is also why the "ostritch" look is obvious around the neck. CG/Gentle Giant: SGB: Cut scene from ROTS, Note the bottom of the 2nd GM's helmet in relation the the bridge of the nose.
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Post by journeymanprotector on Apr 17, 2009 1:58:57 GMT -5
Good pics, Ramz. I'm thinking the back of the SGB needs to be level with the bottom of the nose bridge.
I had to fix the flare on my (sgtcaridas) helmet because it seemed to go more straight down. I used a heat gun and it worked pretty well. The SGB I have is not fiberglass, feels more like a Don Post Fett/scout helmet or something. Pretty malleable.
And definitely not a knock on SGB's work. He's the only one who stepped up to make a helmet for us and did a fantastic job with the available reference.
Phil
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Post by shocknurse on Apr 17, 2009 14:27:46 GMT -5
I'd caution that the RotS screen grab is from an upward looking angle and could be deceptive with regard to length, but I do think that it may need to be trimmed a bit on the bottom.
I could be wrong, but I think that Jason's helmet is a resin. The helmet on the turn-arounds does seem to flare a bit more. I know (or I thought I knew) that Jason tweaked the helmet and came out with a v.2. Is that accuate?
Can you post a profile pic of your bucket JMP?
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Post by RamZnation on Apr 17, 2009 20:06:55 GMT -5
I think Jason did make a note of that for V2, though I have not talked to him in a good while I about it. Not the best picture I have of the side view. I'll have to retake more, but I hope it helps a bit. ...Also, you can see if maybe my Sig box might help with a side view of the SGB bucket.
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