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Post by youngling on Jun 7, 2007 17:41:17 GMT -5
Well I had a bit of interest a while back so I thought I would make one. Here are just a coupel of pics of what I got planned with this rifle. I just have one problem. I have heard that the standard length for the DC-15 Long is around 55 inches. I have been trying to extend this thing as much as I can but the most I can get out of it is 48 inches if any of you have some suggestions on how to make this thing just a bit longer it would be appreciated. Well here are the pics I hope this excites some of you. Please give comments/criticisms.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2007 18:02:06 GMT -5
I am very excited about this one. What will the final (selling) product be made out of?
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Post by apollo on Jun 7, 2007 18:22:55 GMT -5
Yea that's a big concern for me too. I plan on starting out with a cushman rifle for the obvious reasons, but I wouldn't mind upgrading later. The only problem is that hyperfirm goes for 500 and resin is way too heavy for something this big. Foam maybe?
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Post by youngling on Jun 7, 2007 18:54:03 GMT -5
I am going to make it the same way I am making the Carbine. I will be using smooth Cast ROTO and then filling it is with urethane foam. It will probably be made in 3 parts The barrel, the "body" of the gun, and a few other add on details.
I hope this helps.
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Post by apollo on Jun 7, 2007 19:04:04 GMT -5
I'm really not familiar with most of those terms lol so could you just give an estimate of about how much that would weigh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2007 21:17:11 GMT -5
Yeah, weight is my big issue.
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Post by youngling on Jun 7, 2007 21:56:56 GMT -5
Well thinking about it ROTO is one of the lighter fiberglass materials. And if you think about it you will have a hollow gun with foam in it so just assume that the foam will way next to nothing and then think about the regular weight of a cushman. I don't know what the weight of a cushman is but I am just gonna say 6-8 pounds. You could easily cut off 3-4 pounds with the way I am going to do it. so tha twould make it around 3-5 pounds if that is how heavy a regular cushman is.
Well I hope this helps If any of you know how heavy a cushman is that would help also any suggestions on how to make this thing longer? I need about 6-7 more inches.
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Post by apollo on Jun 7, 2007 22:20:15 GMT -5
a cushman is straight up vac formed so it really weighs very little, and it's hollow. Actually, a cushman is also not long enough because their vac table was not big enough to accomodate the well proportioned master built by whitecommando. I'm not sure what you mean when you say you can't make it any longer though. Are you having trouble constructing it or can you not find the right proportions or what? For reference, a cushman dc-17 pistol weighs .18 pounds. It's much smaller than a dc-15 but I wouldn't think their rifle would weigh much more than 2 or 3 pounds. I'm going to assume that your rifle will be more accurate though so I'll have to make a decision based on accuracy, cost, and weight. edit: I just noticed, we have the exact same pocket knife by the way
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Post by youngling on Jun 7, 2007 22:25:01 GMT -5
Sorry I never knew that Cushman was the vac formed rifles. I always assumed that was whitecommando. Oh man I am stupid. Anyways On the making it longer part it is the fact that In proportion I cannot make it longer. I coudl make it longer but it would be off in proportion. Also thanks for the help on the cushman rifle.
LOL about the pocket knife. I love mine use it for anything my utility knife can't handle.
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Post by apollo on Jun 7, 2007 22:56:17 GMT -5
Ok I think I see what you're saying. You mean you built the handle too small so if you built the rest of the rifle the right size it would look off? I'd say just build the rest of it correctly and see how it looks. If it doesn't look right then build it proportionally but smaller or sacrifice some proportion for some length. If you're just talking about it being a few inches shorter I don't think it will make that much of a difference in such a long rifle but it would be nice to have it as accurate as possible
It's easy to see why you'd think wc makes those rifles, he does a heck of a job promoting them and he has made a couple masters for cushman. Those rifles are great for what they are but it looks like you might be on your way to making something better for the same niche
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Post by youngling on Jun 7, 2007 23:00:54 GMT -5
This makes sense lex I think I will slightly make everything bigger say a like an inch on the stock and 3 or 4 in the barrel and thenjust see how it goes form there. That would make my rifle only about 1 or 2 inches under the right size.
I am glad you suggested that thanks Lex. Also I hope that these rifles go on the market sometime soon. can't wait to be producing them full time.
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Post by mandoman on Jun 7, 2007 23:06:40 GMT -5
It looks like a pretty good length and proportion in the pics. You're definatly on your way to a very awesome long rifle!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2007 23:07:35 GMT -5
I think I will be down for one for sure. You know that I am kind of picky, but your design looks good and if it's going to be at least semi-hollow it will be light enough. Besides I will have to have a little bit of heavy weight to balance out my full leather GM backpack. Will this be hollow in the same way as the carbine so I could do electronics here too? By the way, please don't compare this one to the cushman. This one looks nice. . Don't get me wrong, I have seen some very talented people do cool things with the cushman, but I still hate it. I think it's cheap and inaccurate. (personally at least). If that's your thing, cool, I'm not going to knock it, but to me, I would rather see something like yours Youngling.
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Post by youngling on Jun 7, 2007 23:09:14 GMT -5
THanks a lot Mandoman that really ... I don't know but I feel really good I will put you down then on the list. Also It will be hollow too electronic friendly. I am glad you think mine is that good. thanks.
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Post by mandoman on Jun 7, 2007 23:15:03 GMT -5
Yep, Cushman's may be okay for a starter rifle, but this will be in a league of it's own. The crisp edges of a resin rifle and the light weight of a vacformed rifle. Da bomb diggity!
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